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Post by DrEdwardx on Apr 26, 2005 3:38:38 GMT -5
hello again meph and all readers of this board.
The vampire as described in ALL case histories to date,is definately an intelligent lifeform.
Demonic life is merely a form of existence that we have yet to discover in it's purest form,much as silicon based or even gaseous lifeforms( which some believe exist and there is some proof to back up this hypothesis).
We as humans instantly base our assupmtions on first encounters and hardly ever call our selves to account for the horrors which we carry out.
How many cataleptics and those unfortunates buried alive have we staked or tortured or burned to death THOUSANDS.The same argument goes without saying for the persecutions of witches by the catholic church-THESE WERE ACTS OF UNSPEAKABLE EVIL AND I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO PROVE ME WRONG.
FORGET the rubbish that is printed in novels such as anne rice's tomes.
I personally believe that the vampire in the form we know it , from the last 3000 years is another form of mutated humanity,sufferring yes i said it SUFFERING from a porphyria related disease,which leads rthe unfortunate to crave blood.Some diabetics also have developed a taste for blood to replace the iron lost due to the disease and are nowadays prescribed ferric oxide to cure this .WOULD YOU STAKE A DIABETIC OR FOR THAT REASON A PORPHYRRIC.
I believe that we ALL have mistaken phenomenon for other preturnatural events and must make every effort to understand the WHOLE universeand it's wonderful workings, as well as loving our creator and respecting his creation, by dint of which WOULD include vampires.
Sweet dreams.
Dr Edward x
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Post by DrEdwardx on Apr 26, 2005 4:34:59 GMT -5
Hello again meph.
The only vampires i have come across so far are-what everyone terms as vampiroids-a socially excluded group of insecure individuals who try to give themselves purpose by physically indulging in a haemovoric fantasy.
After having questiond 14 individuals to date , i have yet to discover a real vampire.
When i do manage to meet a real vampire i will deal with it in a rational,measured,reasoned way, and i will reserve judgement and act in a violent manner towards it only if i am physically threatened.I will also try to make contact with the entity and record this data scientifically.
So if any genuine vampire is reading this post , please contact me and we will take things from there.
If i was a vampire i would definately be reading the premier site on the internet for vampire hunters and discovering what the enemy were up to wouldn't you.
I think the vampire should be pitied and not reviled.
we should use reason above blind fear.
Dr Edward x
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Post by oakcarver5 on Apr 26, 2005 6:52:49 GMT -5
Hi ED,even after your recent break,you seem unable to accept what the real vampire really is!,a demon is a fallen angel who has followed satan to earth for the sole purpose of destroying mankind,the devil and his followers have two major weapons which they use constantly against us,1.that certain humans refuse to believe in the existance of the devil,2.the use of fear towards those who believe.The vampire is one form of demon (fallen angel) that uses a human corpse to move around in,in order to attack all living creatures and drain their blood,the vampire is something far beyond just negative energy,or stray gases!,try not confining yourself to the science lab,youve a veil before your eyes,and until you open your mind you will not see further than the lab wall!,oak carver.
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Post by DrEdwardx on Apr 27, 2005 7:06:01 GMT -5
hello again oak.
I consider myself to be open minded and i do believe in the existence of vampires,but not in your limited although reasoned view.
I believe that vampirism is a natural phenomenon that we poorly understand and mark with our own sometimes bigoted religious beliefs.
This i believe has lead to the death of thousands of unfortunate individuals in the past .
I do not conside my views unreasonable , and you seem to be unable to grasp the concept that other phenomenon may be responsible for some of the misunderstood manifestations of vampirism.
I also believe in the existence of spiritual/demonic vampires.
i am afaraid my mind is quite open to all views and data.
Dr Edward X
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Post by oakcarver5 on Apr 27, 2005 9:49:13 GMT -5
dear ed x,if you start pitying the plight of the demonic vampire,youre likely to end up on his dinner plate!,you seem extremely confused as to what a real vampire might be,we are talking of shear evil here,fallen angels,followers of satan,the devil,gods supreme enemy,if you decide to sympathise with such evil,then you are lost.oak carver.
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Post by Westny on Apr 27, 2005 11:09:58 GMT -5
Dear Oakcarver:
I sympathize with your desire to talk some sense into Edward to the extent you perceive a danger to his immortal soul. However, I wouldn't otherwise waste too much time on an obvious troll.
Cordially,
Westny
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Post by DrEdwardx on Apr 27, 2005 11:56:32 GMT -5
hello again
I see the level of discussion on this site has yet again degenerated into petty name calling.
My mind remains completely open to ALL possibilities.
Continue burning witches if you like, i will rely on common sense and logic .
Sorry oak and meph but when people think that they are losing an argument things usually degenerate .
I wish you all well.
Dr Edward X
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Post by Westny on Apr 27, 2005 14:37:28 GMT -5
Internet trolls include those who intervene in and/or join online groups for the express or implied purpose of disrupting discussions or otherwise engaging in malicious mischief. You fit the definition--not because of your current assertions, but because of your past activities and patently false assertions and representations. If you intend to make a change the first thing you should do is go back and clear the record by 'fessing up to the falsehoods in past posts. Once you've re-established some degree of credibility, you'll at least have demonstrated yourself to be worthy of a hearing as a sincere individual.
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Post by Memphremagog on Apr 27, 2005 17:15:36 GMT -5
I realize that Dr. Edward X is a pure scientist and nothing of a religious or supernatural nature will faze him one iota. To a purely scientific mind who claims to be open to all possibilities there is no room for matters of faith and theology. Such people seem to proliferate these days. Faith and matters religious mean less than nothing to them. Let me tell of an incident that happened to a similar minded man a little over a century ago (even though this is way off the topic of the Highgate Vampire).
A young scientist boaded a train in France and was looking about for a seat. He spied an old man praying the Rosary and asked if he could sit beside him, the elderly gentleman knodded in the affirmative. The young man immediately began to deride and chastize the old man for his superstitious action. He said to the old man "you know that is really nothing more than a silly old superstition and a waste of time. Why don't just throw that rosary out the window and use your time more profitably?" The elderly gentleman said "but why?' The young scientist said "because modern science has disproved most of that silly mumbo jumbo and now we know that there is nothing to most of it - just silly and stupid superstitions - science has no room for this kind of thing!"
The old man, reflecting a great deal of emotional trauma said "I'm sorry, I don't understand this science of yours, why can't I still pray the Rosary and believe in science too?"
"Because there is no scientific basis for it" the younger scientist exclaimed, "you'd be better off getting rid of that rosary." Then the young fellow said "I tell you what I can do for you, why don't I send you some scientific reading material on this very subject and you can read and decide for yourself?" Then the young man asked the old man for his address so he could send the elderly gentleman information on scientific research and what it yielded. The old man fumbled around in his coat for his business card and handed it to the younger man.
The young scientist read the card and dropped his head in shame and embarassment. The card read:
LOUIS PASTEUR: DIRECTOR, THE FRENCH INSTITUTE FOR SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. PARIS.
Need I say more?!?!?!?!
Memphremagog.
In te Domine speravi.
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Post by DrEdwardx on Apr 28, 2005 2:41:58 GMT -5
hello again everybody.
As I have nothing to "fess up " about to quote an americanism i will be ignoring westny's posts from now on.
As i have always stated i welcome everones comments.
The louis pasteur analogy is an extremely relevant one meph.
As I have previously stated i will remain open to all scientific and indeed theological beliefs and theories.
Not to do so would be plainly ignorant.
Dr Edward X
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Post by Westny on Apr 28, 2005 8:29:04 GMT -5
Dear Memph:
I have no reason to believe that Eddie is a "scientist" any more than he is a theologian. Nothing he has said in any prior post supports either assertion, nor could this be supported by his admittedly bogus "degrees". Further, neither profession is fond of those who propagate false information as to their qualifications, experience, and/or the phenomena they study.
One may hold whatever opinion they like as to the phenomenon involved. However, to misrepresent qualifications (whether supposedly gained by experience or education) in an attempt to lend additional weight to one's opinion is an obvious breach of ethics in either profession. Moreover, to misrepresent facts/data as to the phenomenon being studied is an even more heinous breach and usually results in professional discipline. The latter misleads others in their search for truth, and is completely contrary to the pursuit of truth in either realm.
Eddy not only alleges bogus professional, educational and ministerial qualifications, he alleges deep knowledge of esoteric and scientific phenomena gained by participation in exorcisms, observation of vampires, knowledge of equipment sufficient to blast, restrain and/or dissolve vampires, destruction of vampires by such equipment coupled with techniques or exorcism, etc. These representations are made as representations of fact, not opinions.
I have no objection to Eddie's promulgation of whatever opinions he may have on vampiric phenomena. There are plenty of sites promulgating various theories about vampires and nothing he has opined so far as to the nature of vampires as natural or supernatural is particularly novel or original. I've heard it all before--viruses, unfortunate physical ailments, life extension, etc.--this is grist for the mill in vampiroid circles and a bit boring. Eddy is welcome to his opinion. However, I do STRENUOUSLY object to the promulgation of false data. Eddy has strewn a lot of false factual assertions across the board like a dog stewing garbage on a lawn. He needs to clean up his mess.
So, Eddy's opinions are his own and he's welcome to them as long as Vampirologist doesn't object. However, false assertions of fact prejudice and mislead others in their search for truth. I, like a lot of others who come to this board, am searching for the truth about this phenomenon by studying one of the most carefully documented cases in recent history-the Highgate Vampire. Deliberate promulgation of false data and misrepresentations of fact is disrespectful to the board, the subject, and to others who are here to search for the truth.
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Post by Memphremagog on Apr 28, 2005 18:22:09 GMT -5
Westny, I must admit that I agree with everything you just stated in the immediately above posting. Yes you hit the nail square on the head in an unabashed manner. I occasionally use sarcarsm and hyperbole to refute blokes like Dr X, with limited success! But the way you have analyzed his methods and madness is 100% accurate. Kudos for an excellent appraisal!
Memphremagog.
In te Domine speravi.
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Post by Westny on Apr 29, 2005 9:48:53 GMT -5
Dear Memph:
Thanks for the support. I have seen internet trolls at work before on other boards. Needless to say, I do not like what they do or how they do it!
However, going back to subject: can anything be determined from the clothes worn by the vampire or his coffin? From the pictures all that I can see is what looks like a black close-fitting collar and shirt. Is there anything in the attire that indicates a particular status, nationality, or social class? Conversely, can we say that the clothes are those the vampire was originally interred in? Are a vampire's clothes (like the sandals of the Children of Israel) preserved by whatever strange force preserves his body or are they changed from time-to-time? All interesting questions.
Overall, just like the cut of his hair and beard, it seems that something could be determined by the nature of his attire and even, perhaps, by the nature of the coffin he was found in. (That is, assuming that neither had changed over time--which might be quite a big assumption.)
Cordially,
Westny
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Post by Memphremagog on Apr 29, 2005 18:07:47 GMT -5
It seems that you may have several valid points here, Westny! I likewise noticed the large close collar on the Highgate Vampire. It looks somewhat like a frock coat or perhaps an 18th century great coat. Is it a nobleman we are looking at in that picture? Yes, I think we are!
As to the coffin, it seems that +Manchester mentions that it was considerably larger and in remarkably better condition that the other ones in the Wace Mausoleum. So once again it seems that it belonged to a rich man and that its age had nothing to do with its preservation but that it was the abode of a supernatural nosferatu which kept it in such good condition.
I would suppose that even the men who dispatched this monster back to Hell from whence it came have vague memories about it since they were placing themselves in harms way and maybe failed to notice little things like clothing and ethnicity. I can imagine if I were in the same place I would have overlooked a myriad of "little things" myself.
Memphremagog.
In te Domine speravi.
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Post by JaimieMcTeagle on May 4, 2005 7:17:25 GMT -5
Greetings to all.
Having studied the pictures of the highgate vampire over the last 4 days i have discovered a strange anomaly in the photographs.
The frock coat that you mention is most definately a beatle jacket with upturned collar-which was available at many a "boutique" in the late 60's to early 1970's period, and i believe the same jacket is still available in the Kings road area of london and indeed at Camden Market as i write this post.
The hairstyle and indeed facial hair sported by the vampire was quite contemporary to the early 1970's a'la Jason King (the great Peter Wyngarde) and is indeed reminiscent of the photographs that used to hang on the walls of turkish or greek barbers in the london area until quite recently.
This evidence merely proves that the vampire was wearing contemporary stylish clothing and hairstyles of the early 1970's.
Was the vampire an early 1970's hipster.
or is there another explanation for the use of contemporary 1970's clothing.
I await your replies.
Jaimie
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