Identity of the Highgate Vampire

[oakcarver5]

hi juusi,i wonder if it is possible that the two descriptions that you give of the perkele,are two different creatures altogether?,the small creature being an unknown species,and the tall man with glowing eyes possibly a vampire,there again,vampires can shapeshift,and some accounts of vampires such as those in greece do tend to take to barren land,mountains etc.,do you or any other member have any views on this?,if so itll be interesting to here them,regards,oak carver.

[Juusi]

Terve.

The perkele is one creature only that can be or transform into either facet of itself. In either disguise it is the same and one creature.

The perkele when discovered will also be turning itself into the screeching owl and flying away screaming loudly into the night.

It is easy discovered by the laapi shaman who will do a spell to find it near your house in it's cave hideout and then enter the lair and do combat with the perkele to rescue the murdered souls of the raped people who suffer from the monster.

We need to look more under the stone to see deeply the monster that hides underneath the dinner plate so it cannot hide.

Youlou pukki is also an evil type of your santa claus and he has a small devil as a helper.

Here is a song to keep him away.

Youlou pukki , youlou pukki , youlou pukki
caksi kakka cakku , caksi pissi oluuta
nummi nummi nummi nummi Kakka
kaksi pissi oluuta.

Children sing this song at hyvaa youlou to keep the bad spirit away.

hope it helps you again.

Juusi

[Juusi]

Can you help me please.

I have seen posts from edward x and he gives the name of tomos m oped for the name of the vampire.

Please could i have more information or website too look for the name as tomos is a common name for men from finland and baltic states.The name of oped i think comes from estonia region and has russian or ruotski connotations of language.

Juusi

[oakcarver5]

I dont know where dr.x got tomos. m. oped from,it may be made up as dr.x was only on this forum a short while and then made a quick exit,you could try looking it up on ancestry.com,or,the latter day saints.I think most of us think it possible that it could be TAMAS ORSZAG from hungary that could be the prime identity for the highgate vampire,i found just one entry for that name on ancestry.com in hungary,but so far i havent pursued any further with it.good hunting,oak carver.

[Juusi]

Terve to you oak carver.

In checking the name tomos m oped it first looks weird and strange and a big joke.

I delved further under the stone to see more and i was shocked to find that tomos mikhail oped was part of the polish army and is recorded in 2 men of arms books online of osprey book supply company.

Now i am thinking hard that maybe edward x may have been talking more sane than is before thought.

He may have been arranging words to sound like moped for fun-but it looks serious when more delving is needed.

I must go now for holy fathers funeral on tele.

god bless the holy father.

Juusi

[oakcarver5]

Hi juusi,thats interesting that you found info on tomos m oped being a polish soldier,but where did dr.x get that name from?,and more to the point,why does he suspect this person of being the highgate vampire,after all,+bishop manchester suspected a hungarian dignatory named tamas orszag who had resided in the area where highgate cemetary was eventually built. REGARDS,OAK CARVER.

[Juusi]

Terve oakcarver.

I am wondering if dr x has been reading many military books and history text and tried to piece what is under the stone into a final piece for us to know.

Maybe he is wrong or right.

I think its is very very frightening if he may be right.

If wrong not matter much.

Juusi

[oakcarver5]

Hi juusi,i think dr.x could be just trying to sound clever here,anyone could grab a name as exotic as tomos moped and claim him to be the highgate vampire,dr.x never stuck around to explain his findings.The management here have proof that a mysterious foreign nobleman took up residence at Ashurst house in the 1700s which used to stand on the site that is now highgate cemetery,this mans name was tamas orszag,which is hungarian,and as ive already stated,i have found one entry for that name going back in time in hungary,on ancestry.com,but so far i have not pursued it any further.This polish soldier that dr.x came up with,may have existed but on what grounds should we consider him as the vampire?,there is nothing to go on,where as tamas orszag once lived on the site where the vampire first arose,but even then we cannot be certain.so fear not my friend,regards,oak carver.

[Juusi]

hello oak carver.

I am from eastern europe -family from estonia-and i am in london city.

But i am not a vampire.

I am thinking that possibly people look too deep under the stone to seek what is.

I am thinking tamas ortzag maybe was like me and studied or emigrated or was a tourist of the times and not a dracula figure of astonishment.

Juusi

[oakcarver5]

Hi juusi,and welcome to england,i hope its not too much of a shock to the system being in london!.As far as the I.D of the highgate vampire is concerned,it may never be proven.+bishop manchester could explain to you much better than i , why the name of tamas orszag pops up,in the 1700s there seems to have been several plagues of vampirism in eastern europe,and as orszag came over from there at that time and took up residence at highgate,there is a million to one chance that if he had been bitten or infected before leaving his home land,it could have carried on over here at highgate,who knows?.However,vampires are by no means only found in eastern europe,they are found in most countries of the world,and are recorded in england centuries before the highgate case.Juusi i dont want you to think that your home land is unique for breeding vampires,that is not the case,also,although the knowledge that such things exist can be frightening,faith in jesus and god protects you and yours,and i doubt that you will ever encounter such evil,but you can learn all that is possible on the subject here on +bishop manchesters forums,so keep chatting,alll the best,oak carver.

[Juusi]

Terve freinds.

Highgate burial ground fills me with much astonishment and causes mysterious feelings for me.

I went for a long walk in the grounds near easter and the air made me feel fresh and fertile and was a good outing.

I went to see the tomb of wace but detected no spirits of evil or darkness-it was as seen in books for all to stare.

What astonishes me is that i thought vampires slept underground in unholy earth and not the place of holyness that is highgate burial grounds.

Why the vampire was here fills me full of mysterious astonishment and disgust of evil.

I am Juusi and no way a vampire of darkness.

I am here to study english and learn computers.

Juusi-not a vampire

[oakcarver5]

Hi juusi,im glad you made it to highgate cemetery,i hope to as soon as possible.Perhaps the burial ground is not quite holy enough to repel something demonic,when you say you expected something like that to be under the ground,dont forget that a demon is originally a fallen angel that can shape-shift,control local weather,and who knows what else?,so it would apparently have know problem with finding new resting places such as a vault.By the way,im sure no member suspects you of being a vampire,i dont think such foul creatures do much chatting,especially on the internet.regards,oak carver.

[Vampirologist]

I still feel that the most convincing candidate for the identity of the corporeal form of the Highgate Vampire remains the Hungarian Tamás Orszag.

[DrEdwardx]

Hello board.

For me there are 2 candidates for the identity of the highgate vampire .

1) tamas orszag

2) Mikhail oleg ostrog

So far the evidence for Ostrog sways in his direction slightly but i am always open enough in my views to revise my opinion if more evidence comes to light concerning Tamas Orszag,as there is a paucity of information or proof to prove that he was a vampire.

On the other hand the documentary evidence against ostrog is quite readable and melodramatic-quite the victorian gothic ideal-if you are into that sort of thing.

I opt for evidence based proof and i would love a copy of the original negatives of the highgate vampire pictures so that i could use 3 dimensional imaging technology to study them more closely.

As with most episodes of preturnatural phenomena the is ALWAYS a paucity of hard scientific evidence and i am trying to remedy this at the moment.

Just another question to throw in the pan:

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT to destroy another lifeform , such as a vampire,as it is merely following it's instinct and feeding-much in the way of the indian tiger,and we would not consider shooting one of those beautiful creatures would we.

Maybe if we offered to feed the creature a supply of blood, much the same way we presrcibe metahdone to a junkie,we could negate any damage done by a creature feeding from the source.

I would also like to find the police statements and report concerning the man found dying of throat wounds in highgate cemetary as i cannot find any reference to this anywhere.I will be requesting this information from the met police sometime next week.

I welcome your comments


Sweet dreams

Dr Edward X

I welcome your comments

[Memphremagog]

Hello Dr. Edward X, et alia:

I have no doubt that you are a highly intellectual person, Dr. X., perhaps even brilliant! But just when you appear to make the most sense you always turn around and shoot yourself in the foot! DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DESTROY ANOTHER LIFE FORM LIKE A VAMPIRE, HUH, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? At first I was not going to even dignify that with an answer, and I may regret doing so yet, but do you honestly think that a true undead vampire is a lifeform deserving of preservation? That is tantamount to asking if you have the right to kill a great white shark that is only inches away from utterly devouring you! Would you wax quite so philosophilcal or vampirophilic (a new word mayhaps) if one of them was attacking your mother or sister, father or brother, wife or sweetheart? I hope not!

Let me get back to the shark scenario. If you have fallen overboard in sharkinfested seas and one of them is bearing down on you are you going to say "please don't kill this creature its only doing what nature tells it to do! You would be daft for certain to entertain such a thought in those circumstances!

But even there there might still be some sanity in letting the shark live because IT IS AFTER ALL ONLY DOING WHAT NATURE HAS PROGRAMMED IT TO DO. But a vammpire is not a creature of nature, it is a blasphemy against nature and needs to be destroyed! This is why so many people here believe you are merely putting on some kind of front and really do not mean what you say!

If you think it possible to dialogue with a vampire like those in an Anne Rice novel, to find out what life was like in 1730 or 1330 or 730 or whenever then you are likely mistaken. But once again I say try it sometime! Find your vampire and slap him or her on the back and offer a flagon of blood to it and just dialogue with it for awhile! You are always proposing grandiose schemes, well then just do it and prove Bishop Manchester and me and all the rest of us here on these fora wrong!

Memphremagog.
In te Domine speravi.