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Post by oakcarver5 on Feb 13, 2005 13:52:39 GMT -5
dear dr.edward,memph & vampirologist,the info i have provided on mikhail ostrog being in prison in 1881,surely clears this person of being the highgate vamp,doesnt it?. 1. this is very much later than the time of ashurst house & t. orszag,2.If ostrog was in jail,surely it would have been most notable by inmates & prison officers alike,if he was living off blood alone & avoiding daylight!,not only that but when he was out on the street he was closely watched by the police,and over a period worked in two barbers shops in london,Not really a pastime for a true vampire!.I can understand where dr.edward is coming from,but i think he needs to look beyond scientific reason when it comes to demonic forces at work,and remember that demons are fallen angels,electric forces & cages simply cannot enter into it.As for nunhead cemetery,someone from that area told me the other night that they havent heard of anything going on there for 30 years,but do keep us informed dr.edward,of your vigil,sincerely,oakcarver5
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 2, 2005 7:52:06 GMT -5
Hello everyone.
Sorry i have been away for so long , but i have been writing up the data obtained from the study of the nunhead cemetary phenomenon.
The fact that mikhail ostrog was in prison in 1881, does not exclude him from being the highgate vampire as the vampire spirit can physically transfer from person to corpse and vice versa, any shell will do as a vessel to hold the entity.I believe that demons as well as angelic entities are subject to universal laws , that we commonly call physics( and that we still poorly understand)
During the time spent analysing the nunhead cemetary vampire/spectre , i and a freind can personally vouch for the efficacy of de-ionisation equpment( the portable unit looks like something used in ghostbusters-lol) and it has been 100% effective in both field trials, and i am currently writing up the data , and will be working on a commercial unit.
On both occasions when the unit was used , total dissipation of the entity was witnessed and captured on digital and normal 35mm film as well as video and will be posted for free on a site soon.
Vampires can also walk abroad in daylight , although in a somewhat weakened state and the hory old chestnut of dissoving in sunlight is a load of old rubbish , presented to us as entertainment by holly wood/hammer productions .
I believe that total containment of a spectre/vampire is within out grasp if only the funding was available.
i now have scientific proof - practically handed to me on a plate by a person that was believed to be mentally ill at the time of reporting the phenomenon-it is now obvious that people who experience such phenomenon are are still called mad - i suppose it saves the powers tat be explaining away the phenomenon that they are poorly equiped to handle.
sweet dreams
Dr Edward x
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 8, 2005 6:39:11 GMT -5
Hello Everyone.
Another candidate for the highgate vampire could be a TOMOS OERTZEG , who was resident in the highgate area between 1907 and 1926 . After this date TOMOS OERTZEG ( believed to be of polish extraction) dissapears from all records and i cannot locate a death certificate (maybe he re-patriated).
The name seems to crop up a lot in peoples investigations and is very similar to TAMAS ORTZAG phonetically .
if they are one and the same person , that would make ortzag/oertzeg , nearly 200 years old at the time of the highgate vampire phenomenon.
worth thinking about.
sweet dreams
Dr Edward X
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 9, 2005 12:40:32 GMT -5
Would it also not be possible to assume that if vampire DNA were found and cloned that the result might be a non bloodthirsty being. Just because someone has the gene does not mean they automatically resort to vampire activities
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 11, 2005 5:04:36 GMT -5
Hello daedalus.
In my previous posts , i expounded the theory that D.N.A evidence could be used to track a vampire and thereby find it's hiding place.
I agree with you , that if Vampire D.N.A was cloned , all we would have is a copy of the biological shell and not a vampire as we know it . The vampire is a spiritual being that inhabits a corpse - or a misguided human that thinks the imbibement of plasma will give him/her superhuman strength.
D.N.A analysis is merely a tool to be added to our armoury, along with any other technical innovation that we may find useful.
Science is not a romantic church by a long chalk.
sweet dreams
Dr Edward X
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Post by Memphremagog on Mar 11, 2005 9:42:25 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Memphremagog here.
Since we know from the writings of Montague Summers and others experienced in the field of vampirology like Bp. Sean Manchester that the vampire is oft times observed as lying in a filthy mess of squelching blood, undoubtedly a prime source of DNA material, the problem arises as to whom or what the blood came from. If a vampire attacked two people and, say for instance a dog and a sheep as well, and had their blood in its stinking undead carcass, then whose DNA are you really checking on?
In order to get the DNA sample from the vampire itself one would need to have some hair or a piece of fingernail, or maybe some bone marrow. That would only be accomplished with difficulty by the capture of the monster itself, and once that is done the best remedy is to destroy it then and there in the usually prescribed manner.
To attempt anything beyond what Bps. Summers and Manchester suggest is, at the very best, exceedingly dangerous. I realize there is a great deal of machismo and manliness associated in the destruction of a vampire as seen from the common lay person's point of view, and say for instance in some of the recent vampire movies like JOHN CARPENTER'S VAMPIRES or the unsufferably stupid VAN HELSING. But remember these are horror fantasies, not horror realities.
Bp. Machester has warned repeatedly that even attempting the usually prescribed methods of exorcism and staking followed by cremation is dangerous enough; to vary from that method using "Ghost Buster" type methods will only make the hunter become the hunted. But then nothing I or Bp. Manchester say will persuade you to do otherwise, I can see that for certain!
In light of your determination to hunt a vampire with the methods you advocate all I can say is I hope for your sake that you do not find one. Not that I am against you blokes personally, but rather because I fear you will become victims yourselves. The vampire is a form of devil and devils are liars. With their supernatural powers they can make you see and experience things that are not really happening while doing things to you that you are not aware until it is too late. God bless you and may He be with you whether you persue this or not.
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David Sattman a.k.a. Memphremagog
In te Domine speravi.
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Post by oakcarver5 on Mar 12, 2005 9:51:07 GMT -5
I find that i have to agree with memphremagog when it comes to vampire hunting with gadgets,most people who believe in their existance and therefore the demonic realm,will have done at least some research into this area,and should therefore understand and accept that you cannot fight a spiritual battle with flesh,blood,fists,weapons seen on buffy,nor electronic equipment,and to enter conflict with anything demonic,one can only rely on prayer power,a strong faith,and a cool head.If we study the bible as we should,we can find the weapons and armour to defeat this kind of enemy.We must remember that demons are the fallen angels,and the vampire is one of a multitude of these,if we read accounts of angels being used in the bible we can also see just how awsome their powers can be,and although gods holy angels retain more power and authority than those that are fallen,we must tread carefully,as the enemy can still prove formidable,regards,oak carver.
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 13, 2005 8:43:17 GMT -5
I am afraid i have to disagree with the last two post by mepremagog and oak carver.
The "GADGETS" as you call them are far from being toys and as the video film from the nunhead cemetary case will show , and dare i say it WERE 100% EFFECTIVE in dissipating the entity that was haunting the sidepath to the cemetary.
ALL THE EVIDENCE WAS RECORDED ON WHAT YOU CALL GADGETS AS WELL.
As an ordained lutheran minister i also read a blessing and form of exorcism that was as far as i am concerned 100% EFFECTIVE AS WELL.
The D.N.A sample would need to be taken from hair or fingernails or skin, and i do think and will continue to expound the theory that a vampire can , and will be contained using scientific and religious methods, and whether myself or someone else manages to do so and publish and indeed broadcast the evidence , as i intend to do with the nunhead cemetary case , i fear that you my freinds will be sorely mistaken in your belief in blind faith .
EVEN A WOODEN STAKE CAN BE CLASSED AS A GADGET AS YOU CALL IT , TO DESTROY A VAMPIRE-IT IS MERELY A TOLL AS IS A CRUCIFIX AS A SYMBOL OF FAITH.
I will be publishing the nunhead data in the next 8 weeks.
Sweet dreams
Dr Edward X
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Post by oakcarver5 on Mar 13, 2005 9:03:26 GMT -5
dear dr.ed,i hope that you can come up with the goods and show us up for our ignorance,memphremagog and i oak carver have both stated our views because we feared for your safety,and that is all,we were not running your methods down out of malice i assure you,also i dont think either of us knew that you were an ordained lutherian minister trained in exorcism,so we can probably learn from you,as for memphremagog and i relying on (blind faith!)WELL!,i would have expected better from an ordained priest,i do not have blind faith,my faith is strong in almighty god,our lord jesus christ,and in the mighty holy spirit of god,i dont know what you refer to as blind faith and would be pleased if you would explain,im sure memphremagog can speak for himself,but i do know he has a strong catholic faith,however i do look forward to seeing your findings,regards,oak carver.
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 13, 2005 12:05:55 GMT -5
hello again.
i have already stated in some of my previous posts, my religious and academic qualifications.
100% of suicide bombers act out of blind faith.
Blind faith is the unquestioning belief in a set of doctrine/dogma without questioning the validity or otherwise and i consider this dangerous.
i believe in the lord jesus christ , the father , son and holy spirit and i believe that as a chritian minister that jesus enpowers me to cast out unclean spirits as i have done on 5 occasions as stated in previous posts.
god's authority is absolute.
the devils is not
satan follows neither the rule of god or man.
as i have previously stated .
I keep my faith in god.
but sleep with a loaded shotgun by my bed.
just in case.
If this does not answer your question , i can come up with a much more lengthy and indeed more boring and wordy explanation of the dangers of blind faith.
I believe that that is what makes islam the religion of hate and satanism .
Sleep well
Dr Edward x
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Post by oakcarver5 on Mar 13, 2005 14:03:11 GMT -5
hi dr. ed,there is another forum of +bishop manchesters that one can talk about religious matters,but to round up on your last post,i find it a little strange that you suggest we have & rely on blind faith,and yet our strong faith is based on the word of the bible,where jesus himself tells us that his followers will cast out demons in his name,and it works,so why should we rely on technology to do the job when jesus has already given us the power?,and also,why should someone who claims to be an ordained lutherian priest sleep with a shotgun under his bed?,if you had the strength of faith of those of us you mock,you wouldnt have to sleep in fear with a shotgun under your bed,hope you have a license,oak carver.
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 14, 2005 5:24:10 GMT -5
hello yet again.
i do not claim to be an ordained minister , I AM AN ORDAINED LUTHERAN MINISTER Phd , DoD, Bsc, DoM. I also hold 4 scientific qualifications as well as the religious ones listed above.
I have had articles published in FORTEAN TIMES and THE UNEXPLAINED to name two more well known examples(under a well known pseudonym.
To answer your gun question-yes i do have a licence for my firearm and the reason i keep on in the house , is that burglars and other unsavoury types tend not take make notice of someone praying or chanting , while they take your belongings/murder/rape members of your family(delete as appropriate). A loaded 12 bore stuffed under their nose tends to make them realise the error of their ways much more effectively.
I am afraid i am one of the old fashioned type of clergyman who believe in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth , and natural justice.
You also seem to be ill informed and seem to take items from postings completely out of context .
As for the blind faith argument , i refer you to the comments i have already made in previous posts.
I also do not indulge in argument for arguments sake.
I refer you to all my previous posts and i will not abridge or revise any of the content as i believe they state my point of view quite accurately.
sweet dreams
Dr Edward X
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Post by DrEdwardx on Mar 14, 2005 5:29:25 GMT -5
Hello yet again
Whilst being an ordained lutheran minister i have the utmost respect for most faiths apart from islam.
At no point did i by any of my previous posts mock any of the contributors to this message board and i hereby ask you to withdraw your rather actionable comment.
Dr Edward x
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Post by Memphremagog on Mar 14, 2005 19:57:25 GMT -5
What do you mean by BLIND faith, Dr. X? Perhaps Bps. Summers and Manchester's faith is blind. Huh!?!? Perhaps Oak Carver's faith is blind! Reckon so!?!?!? Perhaps Memphremagog's faith is blind as well! Likely eh?!?! Maybe even John Paul II's faith is blind as well!!! Yea probably even Jesus Christ's faith was (is) blind as well! You think so?!
But Dr. Edward X's faith is not only sighted, but apparently has perfect 20/20 vision. Yep, I reckon that's the case! So now Mr. Oak Carver and Mr. Memphremagog are to bow to the superior enlightened faith of Dr. X. (You can fill in the blanks yourselves gentle readers.)
So is a Lutheran ordained minister able to exorcize a demon! Why is it that when a particularly robust demonic entity is encountered does it take a priest-exorcist of the Order of Melchizedek to finally put it out of harms way? By the priesthood of Melchizedek I mean a priest and/or bishop ordained and consecrated into the Roman Catholic, Old Catholic, or Eastern Ordthodox presbyterate. Lutherans are not part of that presbyterate even though some claim to be. But enough of religion here, there is another forum for that and I do not with to belabour this topic on this forum.
If this offends you I apologize, I was a Lutheran for 33 years and left, partly for the reasons stated above.
Neither Oak Carver or I wish you any ill will or bad luck. Just be careful when dealing with demons, so hot!
If you can capture a vampire alive (undead) and render it harmless while not staking, exorcizing, and destroying it, I will salute you and take back everything I said on this forum about you and your methodologies. I have (blind) faith that will no likely occur soon!
Adieu and happy dreams from Buffyland.
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Memphremagog.
In te Domine speravi.
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Post by Memphremagog on Mar 14, 2005 22:12:01 GMT -5
Doktor X: I forgot, I likewise have a shotgun close to my bed. It is unloaded however since a loaded gun in a a residence is a crime. But the ammo is within hands reach. And I do not have a licence for it since we don't need one in Minnesota merely to own a 12 guage double barrell side be side shotgun.
I don't know what a loaded shotgun has to do with faith, blind or otherwise, or capturing a nosferatu for that matter, but since you brought it up I couldn't resist doing likewise. I never have tried making shot from blessed silver and replacing the leaden or steel shot in my shells so far but perhaps I should as I'm sure I could easily bag a big juicy vampire with it.
Happy hunting!
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Memphy.
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